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Posted: 04/14/05 10:35PM ET
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Is there a tDB taping crew of sorts? If so, can someone explain to me the set-up, how you guys work shit out, etc...
Dubdrop, morph430, LIbiscoTPR, are you guys involved?
Sorry to call you out, I'm just curious about the ways tapers groups together to work out a tour, best set-ups, issues with the band, etc...I was intrigued by the Amsterdam.
I have other ?s but can hold em off. drop a line if you don't want to post...
whitperson at yahoo dot com
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Posted: 04/14/05 11:01PM ET
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before every show we all huddle together in a circle like football players before a big play.
"BISCO!...TAPERS!!...BISCO...TAPERS!!"
then, we all haul ass to the tapers section and get all the rigs set up in record time. after that we all start to drink heavily, then we go aim the mics, because it's better to do that drunk. after the show we listen to all the sources to find the best one. we then kick the crap out of whoever has the best source and steal his dats.
issues with the band? if Lesser gives us a hard time we put his head in a vise Casino style until he complies with our demands.
Plan C is all about intimidation within the tapers section.
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Posted: 04/14/05 11:52PM ET
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nice, rich, nice. btw, who's bisco!?!?!?
...Hey, at least you're organized!
In all seriousness, I'm just curious how organized tdb tapers are these days? I realize my post may seem a bit silly, but I was intrigued by some suggestions from some peeps on tapersection.com and by the general responses to people's worries about Amsertdam a few weeks back. Seemd like a few peeps had it all under control and worked it out with the band.
I realize Lesser doesn't hook up board patches, but just wondering how well tapers are treated, hooked up, organized, etc...thought I'd inquire since I feel pretty comfortable with this boards and tDB shows in general.
I know I'm way too serious about this shit, but what can I say, I'm a friggin nerdy ass grad student, just trying to finnagle a good research project that's actually intersting to me. On the positive side, I've just been asked to be one of only a few peeps in my program to speak about my project, so it must be interesting to some other folks too...now I just have to actually finish it!
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Posted: 04/15/05 12:02AM ET
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funny shit, Rich! That was how it used to be with Roll Tide, TimD and Madigan, no? ;)
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Posted: 04/15/05 12:25AM ET
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ROLL TIDE
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Posted: 04/15/05 1:24AM ET
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all the tapers that I know of know what they're doing and get the job done right. If there is a possibility of there not being any tapers efforts are usually made to make sure it gets taped, if not at least from the sbd. Plan C generally runs like a well oiled machine. lately Scott and Nick are getting shows available super fast after the shows.
as far as Lesser is concerned he is always super helpful. anyone who can deal with me yelling towards him during the show telling him to turn up/down subgroup faders going to my 8 track is ok in my book. :)
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Posted: 04/15/05 1:28AM ET
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there's a tapiung crew???
WHY WASN'T I INFORMED OF THIS?!?!?!?
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Posted: 04/15/05 1:34AM ET
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plan c regulates like it's nobody's business. usually i'm too stoned/tripping balls/blacked out to remember to even wander over to the tapers' section to say "hi!"
and then i become irate when there is a bad transfer, and sacrifice whoever made the bad transfer to the gods of audience recording. if there are bad "fixes", or even worse, i have to download the whole show again for review, i murder the taper's entire family and burn all of their housese to the ground.
this is why there is such a high turn around of tapers in "the scene."
because i murder all their children and eat their babies.
just ask hatgis, i've killed him about two dozen times.
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Posted: 04/15/05 1:36AM ET
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if you kill me again i will kill you
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Posted: 04/15/05 1:39AM ET
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but if you are dead, you can not kill me, unless you are a vengeful psycho killer zombie taper from beyond the grave!
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Posted: 04/15/05 1:42AM ET
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don't underestimate my abilities...
bitch!
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Posted: 04/15/05 10:14AM ET
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Don't waste your time with lesser-he's been nothing but an ass to me...I'm glad he was accomodating to you rich!
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Posted: 04/15/05 10:31AM ET
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^if that's the case, you surely took the wrong approach, like when he is busy. lesser is a really nice guy and has always been accomodating to the tapers.
as for plan c...hmmmm its been a labor of love for a bunch of us for the past half decade. initially it started as a way to ensure that every biscuits show got taped. then we moved into the age of etree servers and digital distribution. basically a few of us churned out most of the 00 and 01 tours. now its more of a larger collaborative effort and everything just goes on archive.org. but we have some guidelines we still stick to, like having 2 reviewers for each show plan c releases.
the one thing that has been so great about plan c (aside from spreading all the music) has been the very close bond that some of us have made. some of my best friends in the world i know because the taper/trader scene was so close knit for a while. there may have been (and continue to be) periods where i get totally stressed out about my "hobby" but its all been worth it. great times!!!
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Posted: 04/15/05 10:47AM ET
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I'll give the "short guy" the benefit of the doubt...
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Posted: 04/15/05 10:52AM ET
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he's not that short is he? he's definitely not as tiny as magner;)
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Posted: 04/15/05 11:14AM ET
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nick colovos may kick your ass, watch out.
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Posted: 04/15/05 11:31AM ET
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I thought this thread would've died over night, but thanx to various tomfoolery, lo and behold, it's still alive...
couple other ?s...
how do you guys get organized...? do you have a plan c email list or something like that? How in touch are you with the band/sound crew...is it pretty tight-knit, or do they do their thing and you guys do yours??
Do you know of other taping crews (for lack of a better term) that are more ridiculously organized and meticulous about getting shows taped, organized, etc...as in other bands, or groups of bands??
also, with archive.org, do feel like there's less of a trading element to tape-trading within the tDB realm, or is it just a diff. entity these days (as in archive.org over there, PT Bisco and Biscoradio over here)??
Anyways, thanx for your posts.
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Posted: 04/15/05 11:57AM ET
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since my boss just left for 2hrs i'll field these...
"how do you guys get organized...? do you have a plan c email list or something like that? How in touch are you with the band/sound crew...is it pretty tight-knit, or do they do their thing and you guys do yours??"
originally we had an egroup for plan c. then we moved our discussions over to a private board on the biscoradio site. that's where we do our housekeeping these days.
as for how close with band/sound are we, well, i do much of the disclogic stuff, so i guess you could say i breach the gap. but basically i don't do much plan c stuff these days since i'm busy with disclogic all the time. i'd say though that i'm about as in touch with both sides of the equation as anyone.
"do you know of other taping crews (for lack of a better term) that are more ridiculously organized and meticulous about getting shows taped, organized, etc...as in other bands, or groups of bands??"
i know there are hardcore audiophiles in special groups for many bands. but i wonder how organized they are compared to how well oiled plan c was in its heyday.
"also, with archive.org, do feel like there's less of a trading element to tape-trading within the tDB realm, or is it just a diff. entity these days (as in archive.org over there, PT Bisco and Biscoradio over here)??"
not really sure what you mean here, but my take on it is that once etree got things rolling with digital distribution and the exponential growth of the internet, there's just far less trading than there was before...and i don't think this is specific to tdb, but general to all jambands.
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Posted: 04/15/05 2:44PM ET
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hey thanx dubdrop!
as for your comment:
"not really sure what you mean here, but my take on it is that once etree got things rolling with digital distribution and the exponential growth of the internet, there's just far less trading than there was before...and i don't think this is specific to tdb, but general to all jambands."
That's exactly what I was getting at...and you're right, not just for tDB, but other jambands and BTATs in general. I've just heard some tapers express the notion that trading and therefore an important community element, is generally in decline because of the archive (and some don't use/upload to the archive bc of this)...but these guys seem to be in the minority as most see the archive as a great thing, and suggest the increased community-buidling possibilities of boards like PT.
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Posted: 04/15/05 2:50PM ET
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don't forget the after show steam baths and orgies.
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Posted: 04/15/05 2:53PM ET
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fwiw, i've been told by numerous people that biscuits tapers are notoriously cooler than their counterparts in other scenes. and i firmly believe it!
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Posted: 04/15/05 2:55PM ET
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all i know is places like taperssection.com are filled with total assholes, and those aren't generally biscuits tapers over there
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Posted: 04/15/05 3:36PM ET
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those are also reasons I've been asking a lot of ?s around here...I'm just more comfortable on PT and the Ceiling. But then again, gotta get some other opinions.
chrisk, so far the TS.com peeps have actually been pretty cool to me...just my impression through very limited experience. I'm very cognizant of the tensions between tapers and other folks though, and have not done anything to get flamed.
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Posted: 04/15/05 3:39PM ET
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assholes in the sense of being one of those "i am a taper so i am God's gift to heady humanity" sense. they are often helpful with questions about gear and stuff.
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Posted: 04/15/05 3:43PM ET
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dubdrop, how involved are you with disclogic in terms of their business? I'm guesing that you just do tDB-oriented stuff, but just curious if you have any knowledge of how they're doing business-wise.
If you're not at liberty to discuss, that's cool...or if you'd be down to answer a few other ?s over email, drop me a quick "yes" at whitperson at yahoo dot com
thanks again...wp
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Posted: 04/15/05 3:49PM ET
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yeah, understand what you're saying. I've def. heard a bit of that attitude (in fact, that attitude dates back to the early dead taping days and the ongoing tensions between tapers, other fans, and sounf crew).
I feel like most bands who are pretty encouraging of taping, are also very rigid about stating that tapers can't take away from the crowd's experience of the show...but then again, tapers still bitch at the crowd and so forth (which I actually don't mind). Of course, there's also the other side as many of us in the crowd are also the first to want the tapes, so I can understand where the animosity comes from, but surely some go a bit over board. It seems to be a mixed bag with no perfect solution.
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Posted: 04/15/05 3:56PM ET
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There's a certain element that gets lost in the instant gratification of the Archive. I was always for it though. After sites like Discobisquick and Bombsession stopped hosting shows, the Archive seemed like a much needed savior. Its so convenient to have everything centralized into one location. But like I was saying, having so much music readily available has its ups and downs. I remember waiting for weeks to get CDs from people and when I got them they seemed so special and I'd listen to every one of them front to back...now you can download a show in an afternoon, skim it, and delete it before you've even had time to process. There's a point hidden here somewhere...Either way, much appreciation to the tDB taping community and all the folks at Plan C :-)
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Posted: 04/15/05 4:27PM ET
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> now you can download a show in an afternoon, skim it, and delete it before you've even had time to process.
This is very true. There is no personal element to trading anymore. I know of a bunch of trades/B&Ps back in the day where people would enclose stickers, free music, etc. It still happens on occasion, but just not to the same extent. However, in giving that up, we've managed to satisfy more of the masses. Those fools still mostly download FT2K+2 shows, though ;-)
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Posted: 04/15/05 4:32PM ET
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" assholes in the sense of being one of those "i am a taper so i am God's gift to heady humanity" sense."
HA! yeah, that does explain quite a few of them...
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